You have the plant, the distributors, the stores, and the know how. Can't you form your own ice cream company and call it Mohammed and Moshe? There is nothing like competition to bring reason and sanity back. I won't buy Ben & Jerry's and haven't for some years now because of their stupidity.
Same here, Phish food is still my favorite ice cream but B&J became intolerable years ago.
At this point I am almost boycotting California entirely, I even avoid their wines (which are very soon going to drop in quality due to preventable wildfires)
I’m boycotting Coke boycotting Delta hate Nike and won’t buy it boycotting Disney very soon there will nothing left for me to buy or boycott so perhaps it will be best for me to just stay home enjoy the time extra money I might have wasted money ❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸
I won't buy Coke. I wonder if anyone knows how their sales have been affected since they became Woke? I doubt Disney will be hurt in any way by their position on indoctrinating kindergartners on sex? Somehow I doubt it. Walt must be spinning in his grave if he could see what has happened to his company.
Maybe not now for Disney but if they carry on with this woke policy it’s going to come back to bite real bad don’t underestimate the American people they are really fed up we live in one of the best countries in the world everybody want to live in America but one day is one day Disney suffered real bad under Covid restrictions I did promise my kids we would go but I have pushed it right out and what’s even stranger is my kids haven’t asked me to go I can only think they have become aware of Disney bizarre behavior or they may realize it’s not the ultimate playground anymore 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Disney is no longer solely and American company. They have theme parks in several countries and make their movies in China. Their market outside the USA is potentially far larger than the Anaheim and Orlando parks. My guess is they would not be able to get away with the woke stuff in Shanghai or Japan or China.
I suspect the media has very carefully avoided investigating the impact that "going Woke" has had on Coke. I, too, ceased to buy Coke, after the "be less white" debacle. I've even learned to like Dr Pepper (since that is the most common alternative to Coke at fast food restaurants around here).
The thing about Disney is that it owns a LOT of films and TV shows that predate the scourge of Wokeness. And not everything Disney owns has been hopelessly infested yet. Nor has the company yet done the one thing that I find intolerable: engaging in pointed bigotry toward a portion of their customer base (ala Coke's "be less white," despite the fact it was aimed at employees) and/or requiring their customers to have a particular political viewpoint (I boycott Penzey's Spices and JoAnn Fabrics because both companies used customer email lists to tell their customers what to think).
All good points. I love the earlier Disney movies and have always enjoyed DisneyWorld although I doubt I'll ever go again. Did not know that about JoAnn Fabrics. I'm on the email list but I delete without reading. I prefer Hobby Lobby but it is across town.
It was back when Trump was pushing for an increase in the tariffs on Chinese goods. They sent an email saying, "You need to tell your congressmen to oppose this because it will harm small business crafters." It was all too clear to me that the reason for this bossy political email was that it would actually put a dent in *JoAnn's* bottom line. Considering how much money they make by marking up goods produced by slave-wage Chinese labor, I was unimpressed.
You one of the lucky ones it was our go to drink our eyes had tiny bubbles in when we drank it but after they weigh in with voter ID in that moment my whole family dropped Coke it was as if the Lord smiled upon us we feel so much healthy drink a lot more tap water (government issue) don’t have to throw away cans or plastic bottles and I can tell you a big saving on our pockets and the environment
Same for me. Coke was for special occasions only. When we were sick Mom went to the local luncheonette and bought a small amount of Coke syrup which she gave us by the teaspoonful. I remember going to the luncheonette and ordering a 2 cent Coke. It was in a very small glass, maybe 4 oz. I don't often drink soft drinks either. I stick to water...from the tap.
I ask for Pepsi now. KO sales dropped last year after they complained about the Georgia voting law. Not a peep from them lately. Maybe they got the message to stay in the sugared water business and out of woke politics.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
good grief NO.. if you are going to boycott wine due to politics. you better start growing your own grapes .. Oregon and Washington?? take a good look at Seattle/Portland
In Washington, almost all vineyards and most wineries are east of the Cascades. In Oregon, they're in the western part of the state, south of Portland and the Columbia River.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
He doesn't want to be in any business but grifting off the monster of social justice he helped build. It's like an automobile company suing itself over it's own defective product recall.
Hey ! This car explodes on Impact !
That's it, I'm suing !
It has nothing to do with anything but virtue signalling and the next grift.
This is a virtue signalling / counter signalling problem.
Why sell ice cream when you can grift ? And profit from a grift you helped build.
What grift? He sells Ben & Jerry's ice cream to Israelis and Palestinians. That's been his career for three decades, selling ice cream. He sells a particular brand, and one brand only: Ben & Jerry's. Its parent Unilever chose to cave to the BDS economic terrorists instead of telling them to get lost. That corporate decision endangers his business. He's challenging the decision in court, legally, to he can remain in the business of selling the brand for which he became known there.
Virtue signaling? Grift? What do you expect him to do, walk away from a business of thirty five years, a successful one that both peoples enjoyed, because his supplier is an asshole? Why are you blaming HIM and not Unilever?
What he's saying is the author goes on and on about all of the things he did, how bad Ben & Jerry's is to him after essentially rescuing the company but still wants to work for the company.
I don't see that Avi Zinger (the author of the piece) says he rescued Ben and Jerry's, but rather that he introduced Ben and Jerry's to Israel, while at the same time using his business to build an initiative of mutual cooperation and coexistence among a number of Israel's different ethnic and religious groups, Palestinians included. I did not see Avi's listing of his activities as a means of virtue signaling, but rather as simply saying that his impact was a positive one.
Avi Zinger wants to bring people together, and as such is a force for peace and life. BDS wants to divide people, and as such is a force for war and death. Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) has succumbed to BDS pressure, and so has joined BDS in their destructive activities.
Because Avi Zinger will not knuckle under to Ben and Jerry's (Unilever's) illegal demands, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is terminating Avi's contract, thus depriving him of his business and his livelihood. And so, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is being sued by Avi Zinger. More power to him.
"the long warred" sees this situation only as a cynical attempt by someone to profit off of a Wokeist travesty. The only Wokeist travesty here is the one on the BDS / Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) side of things.
Thank you. This. He uses the term "social justice" which has a bad ring to it, but in fact, he's doing hard, concrete work to bring Israelis and Palestinians together and improve lives through his business. Assuming his self-description is true, he is doing honorable work in Israel. It's a sad fact that in Woke Land, no good deed goes unpunished.
That's how I read the essay too, Phil. Avi Zinger isn't the bad guy here; Unilever is for caving into to BDS demands. I have no clue what "the long warred" is trying to say.
What I don't know, and would like to find out, is why Unilever didn't tell BDS to stuff it and get lost. Unilever is a huge corporation that absorb any silliness BDS throws at it. Why did Unilever pay off the terrorists?
Ben & Jerry's is the only brand he's sold for thirty-five years, and the corporate parent, Unilever, demands that he break American and Israeli laws to discriminate against his Palestinian clients. "He still wants to work for the company" is not a social justice issue, but one of his own economic survival. I see nothing wrong with his suing Unilever to restore the terms of their agreement.
The author by his own words spend years and decades supporting social justice. Now he complains because the monster he fed along with many others is coming after him and his ....
...and if this were a new or unexpected development instead of so certain it's a cliche and if so many hadn't warned just in my own lifetime they will come after you ....I could feel sympathy for the author. I clearly don't.
If the monster he fed was coming after his neighbors in America or in Israel he'd be writing checks. Instead he's calling his lawyer.
Aaannnddd.....yessss....of course he's got a grift angle, he's suing.
1. Lawsuits are not "grift." They're how a civilized society rights a wrong. He's suing because he faces the loss of his livelihood by being extorted into signing a contract that is illegal under both American and Israeli laws. I'd sue, too. Or would you rather he set off a pipe bomb at Ben & Jerry's HQ in Connecticut? I'd rather he sue.
2. He doesn't define "social justice" the same way you do. He defines it as "I give people jobs and sell people ice cream, which helps everyone: Israeli, Palestinian, Druze, the rest, and me. People who have jobs and make money are less apt to throw bombs." That is a good social justice.
3. The "social justice" we're most familiar with is the Woke Warrior's screaming about pronouns and equal outcomes. He's not using that definition.
4. The only thing he "fed" with his actions is the needs of that society. Ben & Jerry's wants to take that away by caving in to the racist, silly, and felonious demands of BDS. Your ire should be aimed at B&J and parent Unilever, not at the author.
As an attorney familiar with license deals, the B&J agreement likely includes a lot of incentives from the parent company that help with some of the side initiatives, not to mention the brand name alone. He also cannot take the "know how" because he's likely relied on B&J recipes with any deviations (i.e., Palestinian fruit varieties) having to be approved by B&J.
Yes! Perhaps he could spin-off from licensing both the brand name and recipes, and perhaps negotiate a new deal to license only the recipes (so he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel). B&J's name is not attached, but Israelis and Palestinians keep their jobs and continue to enjoy the ice cream they've grown to love. Sadly, (bad) lawyers and egos on the business side could keep this happening.
Yes! Ask Israelis and Palestinians to come up with names, and they'd swarm all over that. The publicity would be priceless and he could hire even more workers to meet the demand. Reverse-sell to other nations, etc.
And yet, even Avi feels the need to profess fealty and bend the knee to "social justice" even as the movement rears its ugly, hateful, discriminatory fangs.
You cannot worship the system that is killing you and also push back against it. You must recognize that "social justice" is a vague, all-encompassing justification for anything that empowers the radical left. It is a movement built upon creating new injustices to fix the old ones - except for China, which consistently gets a free pass on everything because the money is good enough for the "social justice" believers to look the other way. A movement that supports wrecking the poor with lockdowns but thinks the West Bank is the worst atrocity in the world.
And that, naturally, is where we see their real colors. And we see Avi's underlying support for that culture in the way he calls charity work "social justice" rather than simply "charity."
You nailed it. “Social Justice” is the Leftists’ motte for so many of the controversial, counterproductive & destructive goals (Baileys) they're truly pushing - goals very few would support, but who can object to “social justice”?
Social Justice is Mob Rule. Naming it truthfully is the first step to fixing it.
Well, the charities he describes seem like worthy causes, building up those at the bottom of the ladder rather than tearing down the top, in other words, the opposite of "social justice" in the U.S. But no doubt his greatest contribution to real social justice is providing jobs.
"It is a movement built upon creating new injustices to fix the old ones..." Excellent! I might even suggest, "It's a movement built upon creating new injustices to rephrase and reframe the old ones that are being ignored." Great post!
The BDS movement is coercion writ large…supported and promoted mostly by young ignorant and uniformed people- most of whom have never traveled to Israel to observe the complexity of the society and vast accomplishments of the country.
I haven’t bought Ben & Jerry’s ice cream for over twenty years. Mainly because both Ben & Jerry are peevish, puerile, pretentious political shills who cause more harm than good with their biased and hypocritical “causes”. The world would not miss them if they simply went away.
Thank you for bringing this to light. It’s a crazy new world. I hope that your law suit is successful and stops other companies implementing similar discriminatory policies.
When you share the idealogy of 'social justice' eventually it targets you. It's only a matter of time. JUSTICE, alone, is blind and does not discriminate. B&J's are disgusting.
Me too, but Mr. Zinger makes several excellent points. They are forcing him to break US and Israeli laws and discriminate based on location. Imagine this in the US where a company would not be allowed to sell in the barrio or in a neighborhood that is predominantly of one race or another. They are forcing him to reduce the size of his company which will mean firing workers.
It seems to me we are seeing active discrimination against white people, particularly men. If you pick your Supreme Court justice by race and gender isn’t that against the law? This is only one famous example
I saw that. SanFran is shooting themselves in the foot with many different weapons. How stupid can you get? They can't boycott China. Too many of their top political people are too beholden to China and then there is Silicon Valley which seems to me to be exceedingly pro-China as it is anti-USA.
I've always been very confused with Jews aligning themselves with the left. It's counterintuitive on every level.
I feel like it's in a Jew's best interest to align themselves with a party that is anti-crime, pro-Israel, pro-business, pro-self defense, pro-meritocracy, etc.
My wealthy WASP brother does the same thing, though. He openly boasts that he is voting against his own interests, as if it's the ultimate virtue signal.
Well, how long has the Democratic party actually been opposed to all those things you listed? Not very long, for lots of them, at least. Democrats were long seen as the dovish party, compared to the hawkish Republican party. We Jews tend to highly value compassion and empathy, so there's your answer. Radical leftism has somehow overtaken the Democratic party, and I think a lot of people are slow to catch up and realize what's going on. I see people every day (of all stripes) turning around and seeing what this leftism is. Myself included.
I haven't bought Ben & Jerry's for years. They have always been far Left socialists. I spend my money, or try to, with companies that are pro-USA and honorable.
As a West Bank Palestinian, I support you Avi. I want to be able to buy Ben n Jerry’s in Ramallah. Period. Why would anyone want to deny that? Keep up the good fight. Rational thought is on your side, and so are those who believe in it.
Exactly! Good economies and good business is good for all people, and brings peace more surely than any amount of gasbagging from politicians. I hope he wins, too, so you can buy whatever you want, particular with a hot desert summer coming up soon :-)
I'm not sure why its so hard for so many to see it, but life in the region would be so much better if people would embrace the 'wins', the things which makes everyone's life better. Ice cream seems so small in this and yet, here it is, making headlines.
To some, denying Mohamad an ice cream he enjoys is a good thing. It completely twisted.
Mohamad, I hope you get to enjoy this ice cream for years to come. And enjoy making life better for all along the way.
As a progressively progressive proggish Progger I am all for BDS ...the 20+ Islamist supremacist nations that oppress Women, Gays, Christians, Jews and Minorities. I also BDS Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon and a few others. I tell my fellow Progs that we will have to learn to live with Islamic control of only 99.8% of the land area of the Middle East. I acknowledge that will be hard and always have a hankey to share when the tears starting rolling.
Honestly I don't understand what is the issue here.
If Unilever doesn't want to sell in Israel then it is their right to do so (as stockholder of Unilever and Jew, I don't support this action of management, but I am probably a minority). It is not like Ben and Jerries is only ice cream in the world and this will probably make market opening for local competitors.
Also I don't understand what does Israeli Law for banning discrimination individuals based on residence have to do with Palestinian occupied territories? Since they are according to international law these territories are not part of Israel?!? Person should be able to sell Ben and Jerries with recognized borders of Israel with no issues.
This is not only case of Unilever suspending sales, they have voluntarily suspended imports and exports from and to Russia due to Ukraine crisis. But they continue to sell in Saudi Arabia event though that country has been ravaging Yemen for last 8 Years.
First, the fact that you are a Jew is irrelevant. Some of the most notorious antisemites in history have been Jewish. And why you don’t care that B&J’s is targeting the one Jewish state and ignoring far more serious conflicts around the world is alarming.
The boycott is basically directed against Jews with Palestinians as the hapless victim. The B&J board and the BDS groups hate Israel so much that they are fine harming the Palestinians, the group that they are supposedly trying to help, as long as it makes a statement against Jews for their crime of wanting to live in their indigenous homeland. Wow. Any other place the BDSers don’t think Jews should be allowed to live, or is it just the indigenous place?
Furthermore, Ben & Jerry’s is not focusing on the specific organization that is responsible for their grievances. If they were they would direct all of their efforts specifically at the Israeli government, and this would be less problematic. But instead, B&J is engaging in economic warfare against businesses and individuals that have no direct link to the Israeli government at all. They are being targeted simply because they are Israeli and/or Jewish.
The B&J boycott is illegal and immoral. I hope you will correct your apathetic attitude towards Israel after reading my comments and the many others talking back to you.
Nobody is targeting Jewish State. Occupied territories are not Israel.
What is immoral are the settlements in occupied territories and their expansion stops any notion of peace.
That some zealous members of Israel society have pushed for illegal expansion of settlements in occupied territories, and then passed a law "against discrimination of residence" is highly immoral.
If we ever want peace with Palestinians, we need finally to stop pretending that settlements are anything but illegal.
I hope that one day, you will correct your apathy towards Palestinians, and accept that they also have right to live there. If we want 2 state solution, then we need to stop building settlements on their part of land.
And once those offensive settlements are all dismantled, Hamas will welcome co-existence with Israel?
A 2 state solution was offered to Yassar Arafat 25 years ago at Camp David. He famously refused to sign on the dotted line. The Palestinians don't want a "2 state solution" but a "1 state solution": Palestine and no Israel.
You say you object to the seizing of land from the Palestinians, but are you as upset about Azerbaijan seizing land from Armenians? This is no different, and it happened just last year. Military conflicts result in land seizures and the displacement of the people who lived there. The West Bank, Gaza, and the Sinai were all seized after surrounding Arab countries launched a war of Jewish extermination in 1967. They lost (in 6 days) and lost territory as a result -- that's what happens when you lose a war, especially one you started.
What's remarkable isn't that Israel claims the West Bank and Gaza; what's geopolitically unusual is that (unlike almost every other war victor) they allow millions of people who hate them to continue to reside there.
The settlements? Settlers? First, regarding what the media (and many others of course) describe as settlers, I prefer to refer to as residents of Judea Samaria. The very idea that Jews are somehow considered to be outsiders to the area is absurd. Jews have lived in Judea Samaria continuously for thousands of years. And now they are considered settlers? Makes them sound foreign right? Well, that's the intention behind the word "settler". The only time Jews hadn't lived there was between 1948 and 1967, when they were ethnically cleansed by Jordan. Jordan did everything it could during that time to erase the long history of Jewish connection to the land and went about destroying 58 Jewish synagogues and desecrated many Jewish cemeteries using head stones for street paving and in urinals. Then after 19 short years Jews began returning to their indigenous homeland and now they’re considered outsiders?
Jews come from Judea. Why is it called the West Bank? Because it was Jordan’s West Bank of the Jordan river after they annexed it illegally. Jews shouldn’t ever be prevented from moving there. Abbas has publicly proclaimed that he wants a judenrein (no Jews allowed) Palestine. How is that peace? How do liberals support Arab apartheid? Because that’s what that is. If you tell an entire ethnic-religion then they shouldn’t be allowed to move somewhere it’s apartheid. And that’s real apartheid, not the made up kind that Israel is accused of.
Unfortunately peace is not up to Israel, because if it was, there would have peace since 1948 when Israel accepted the UN partition but the Arabs rejected it and launched a war to destroy Israel.
If Palestinians wanted peace, they could have accepted just one of the dozen peace deals offered to them by Israel.
I think the Palestinian cause is the most overrated in history, for the reasons you state. Unfortunately for the modern state of Israel it had the great misfortune of being created in the era of TV.
And if you think the settlements are illegal, as you claim, prove it. Prove how it’s illegal for a Jew to live ANYWHERE on planet earth, let alone the indigenous homeland of the Jewish people. Telling Jews they can’t move back to a land where they have lived continuously for thousands of years until they were ethnically cleansed by the Jordanians in 1948 is nothing but intolerance.
Raziel, You can’t occupy that which is already yours. The “occupation” is a myth. It’s all israel from the river to the sea.
Territories are only considered "occupied" if they are captured in war from an established and recognized sovereign, but no state had a legitimate or recognized sovereignty over the West Bank prior to the Six-Day War. The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank was considered illegal by the international community. Only two countries recognized Jordan's annexation of the land and one of them withdrew their recognition at a later date.
The San Remo Resolution of 1920, which recognized the exclusive national Jewish rights to the Land of Israel under international law, on the strength of the historical connection of the Jewish people to the territory previously known as Palestine. The outcome of this declaration gave birth to the "Mandate for Palestine," an historical League of Nations document that laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. In fact, in San Remo, the nations of the world had formally obligated themselves not only to establish a Jewish state on the historic Jewish Homeland but also to facilitate its development as well (see Article 6 of the still-binding Mandate for Palestine).This plainly means that today's Israeli settlements are in fact 100% legal and that the accusation of " occupation" is completely false. Back then, the concept of a "Palestinian People" was unheard of and "Palestine" referred only to a Levantine region and never to an Arab nation or state. http://bit.ly/2KR00Rg
You do not understand the issue of sovereignty in Judaea & Samaria.
These territories are NOT occupied.
They are disputed.
As a matter of international law, Israel has the best claim to these lands.
And yes, Palestinians have a right to self determination too.
But not on Israeli lands.
Palestinian leadership had many opportunities for a state in the last 70 years.
Each time they declined and the terror attacks continue.
Palestinian leadership seeks a Right of Return, that means no more Jews in Israel, from the river to the sea.
It pains me greatly when Jews don’t understand the basic tenants of the conflict.
Moderate Arab states who are joining Israel in the Abraham Accords are tired of the Palestinian veto. They are meeting in the Negev today to discuss security issues coming from the Iranian nuclear negations.
Interestingly, but the whole BDS movement might be outflanked by, ironically, Arabs. The Abraham Accords and the recent love fest between Israel, the UAE, Morocco, Bahrain and Egypt (and including the US) have pointedly said to Palestine - buzz off and get out of the way. Israel might have to think less of sanctions and boycotts going forward as the political sands of the Middle East shift in a way not seen in generations.
Yes, the moderate Arab counties you speak of are setting aside the Palestinian veto in favor of a relationship with Israel that will bring security and economic prosperity to their countries. The Palestinians have over played their cards.
Let's also not give the Palestinians so much credit. The Arab League was behind the War of Independence. The Arab League told the local Arabs to pack up and leave, because the war will be over soon (unfortunately for them, they were ironically correct). So they are largely responsible for the initial refugee problem. And where did those refugees end up? Surrounding Arab countries. And did those Arab countries accept and integrate their brothers and sisters? No. What did they do? Keep them as perpetual victims, feeding propaganda to the Palestinian Arabs that Israel was to blame for all their problems, to build the narrative. And where are we 70 years later? Right here, with a horrendous West Bank, a nightmarish Gaza, and terrorism being inflicted upon Israel, one of the shining stars of the entire world in terms of its contributions to the betterment of humanity.
You have the plant, the distributors, the stores, and the know how. Can't you form your own ice cream company and call it Mohammed and Moshe? There is nothing like competition to bring reason and sanity back. I won't buy Ben & Jerry's and haven't for some years now because of their stupidity.
Same here, Phish food is still my favorite ice cream but B&J became intolerable years ago.
At this point I am almost boycotting California entirely, I even avoid their wines (which are very soon going to drop in quality due to preventable wildfires)
I’m boycotting Coke boycotting Delta hate Nike and won’t buy it boycotting Disney very soon there will nothing left for me to buy or boycott so perhaps it will be best for me to just stay home enjoy the time extra money I might have wasted money ❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸
I won't buy Coke. I wonder if anyone knows how their sales have been affected since they became Woke? I doubt Disney will be hurt in any way by their position on indoctrinating kindergartners on sex? Somehow I doubt it. Walt must be spinning in his grave if he could see what has happened to his company.
Maybe not now for Disney but if they carry on with this woke policy it’s going to come back to bite real bad don’t underestimate the American people they are really fed up we live in one of the best countries in the world everybody want to live in America but one day is one day Disney suffered real bad under Covid restrictions I did promise my kids we would go but I have pushed it right out and what’s even stranger is my kids haven’t asked me to go I can only think they have become aware of Disney bizarre behavior or they may realize it’s not the ultimate playground anymore 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Disney is no longer solely and American company. They have theme parks in several countries and make their movies in China. Their market outside the USA is potentially far larger than the Anaheim and Orlando parks. My guess is they would not be able to get away with the woke stuff in Shanghai or Japan or China.
I suspect the media has very carefully avoided investigating the impact that "going Woke" has had on Coke. I, too, ceased to buy Coke, after the "be less white" debacle. I've even learned to like Dr Pepper (since that is the most common alternative to Coke at fast food restaurants around here).
The thing about Disney is that it owns a LOT of films and TV shows that predate the scourge of Wokeness. And not everything Disney owns has been hopelessly infested yet. Nor has the company yet done the one thing that I find intolerable: engaging in pointed bigotry toward a portion of their customer base (ala Coke's "be less white," despite the fact it was aimed at employees) and/or requiring their customers to have a particular political viewpoint (I boycott Penzey's Spices and JoAnn Fabrics because both companies used customer email lists to tell their customers what to think).
All good points. I love the earlier Disney movies and have always enjoyed DisneyWorld although I doubt I'll ever go again. Did not know that about JoAnn Fabrics. I'm on the email list but I delete without reading. I prefer Hobby Lobby but it is across town.
It was back when Trump was pushing for an increase in the tariffs on Chinese goods. They sent an email saying, "You need to tell your congressmen to oppose this because it will harm small business crafters." It was all too clear to me that the reason for this bossy political email was that it would actually put a dent in *JoAnn's* bottom line. Considering how much money they make by marking up goods produced by slave-wage Chinese labor, I was unimpressed.
I almost never drink Coke. Growing up in the 1960's, it was a rare treat in my family. I never acquired the soft drink habit.
Hard to boycott something you don't buy in the first place.
You one of the lucky ones it was our go to drink our eyes had tiny bubbles in when we drank it but after they weigh in with voter ID in that moment my whole family dropped Coke it was as if the Lord smiled upon us we feel so much healthy drink a lot more tap water (government issue) don’t have to throw away cans or plastic bottles and I can tell you a big saving on our pockets and the environment
A friend of mine lost 14 lbs when she gave up Coke.
Same for me. Coke was for special occasions only. When we were sick Mom went to the local luncheonette and bought a small amount of Coke syrup which she gave us by the teaspoonful. I remember going to the luncheonette and ordering a 2 cent Coke. It was in a very small glass, maybe 4 oz. I don't often drink soft drinks either. I stick to water...from the tap.
I ask for Pepsi now. KO sales dropped last year after they complained about the Georgia voting law. Not a peep from them lately. Maybe they got the message to stay in the sugared water business and out of woke politics.
Support local!
Pepsi still selling in Russia - give RC Cola a try if they're in your area. They seem intent on making a nice beverage and not changing the world.
RC Cola is also less expensive.
I don't buy a lot of wine but I am going to start checking the labels. No point sending my money to California.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
That was easier, morally, before Australia began banning free speech over Covid.
Good to know. I have enjoyed several bottles of Australian wine over the years. I'll look for it specifically now that I know.
Central Texas (Hill Country) has a booming wine industry.
Washington State and Oregon make plenty of good wine.
good grief NO.. if you are going to boycott wine due to politics. you better start growing your own grapes .. Oregon and Washington?? take a good look at Seattle/Portland
Consider Midwestern wineries. There are plenty.
Missouri has some of the best red wines, made from the Norton grape. The state was the top wine producing state for a while after the Civil War.
Or buy Israeli wine!
Somehow I am going to guess that the part of Washington State and Oregon that make good wine are not the WOKE parts of those states.
In Washington, almost all vineyards and most wineries are east of the Cascades. In Oregon, they're in the western part of the state, south of Portland and the Columbia River.
The very first AVA in America was awarded to Augusta Missouri! Nice wines!!
We have San Sebastian Winery in St. Augustine Florida.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
I'll try it!
But in truth I mostly buy local craft beer 🍻
There are some very good Israeli wines out there - I've been buying from Golan Heights wineries.
nice!! :)
Yarden Wines? I like them!
Yes! I wrote to the head winemaker via their website, and got a very nice email back.
Going to try Yarden do you recommend red or a white I drink both
I liked their Mt. Hermon Red.
Thank you for that going to try them immediately can you supply me some names of wines please?
Check out https://yardenwines.com
MOHAMMED AND MOSHE IS A GREAT IDEA! You win the thread for that one.
He doesn't want to be in any business but grifting off the monster of social justice he helped build. It's like an automobile company suing itself over it's own defective product recall.
Hey ! This car explodes on Impact !
That's it, I'm suing !
It has nothing to do with anything but virtue signalling and the next grift.
This is a virtue signalling / counter signalling problem.
Why sell ice cream when you can grift ? And profit from a grift you helped build.
What grift? He sells Ben & Jerry's ice cream to Israelis and Palestinians. That's been his career for three decades, selling ice cream. He sells a particular brand, and one brand only: Ben & Jerry's. Its parent Unilever chose to cave to the BDS economic terrorists instead of telling them to get lost. That corporate decision endangers his business. He's challenging the decision in court, legally, to he can remain in the business of selling the brand for which he became known there.
Virtue signaling? Grift? What do you expect him to do, walk away from a business of thirty five years, a successful one that both peoples enjoyed, because his supplier is an asshole? Why are you blaming HIM and not Unilever?
the long warred… What are you talking about? It seems that what you’re saying is totally confused gibberish.
What he's saying is the author goes on and on about all of the things he did, how bad Ben & Jerry's is to him after essentially rescuing the company but still wants to work for the company.
madaboutmd...
I don't see that Avi Zinger (the author of the piece) says he rescued Ben and Jerry's, but rather that he introduced Ben and Jerry's to Israel, while at the same time using his business to build an initiative of mutual cooperation and coexistence among a number of Israel's different ethnic and religious groups, Palestinians included. I did not see Avi's listing of his activities as a means of virtue signaling, but rather as simply saying that his impact was a positive one.
Avi Zinger wants to bring people together, and as such is a force for peace and life. BDS wants to divide people, and as such is a force for war and death. Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) has succumbed to BDS pressure, and so has joined BDS in their destructive activities.
Because Avi Zinger will not knuckle under to Ben and Jerry's (Unilever's) illegal demands, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is terminating Avi's contract, thus depriving him of his business and his livelihood. And so, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is being sued by Avi Zinger. More power to him.
"the long warred" sees this situation only as a cynical attempt by someone to profit off of a Wokeist travesty. The only Wokeist travesty here is the one on the BDS / Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) side of things.
Thank you. This. He uses the term "social justice" which has a bad ring to it, but in fact, he's doing hard, concrete work to bring Israelis and Palestinians together and improve lives through his business. Assuming his self-description is true, he is doing honorable work in Israel. It's a sad fact that in Woke Land, no good deed goes unpunished.
That's how I read the essay too, Phil. Avi Zinger isn't the bad guy here; Unilever is for caving into to BDS demands. I have no clue what "the long warred" is trying to say.
What I don't know, and would like to find out, is why Unilever didn't tell BDS to stuff it and get lost. Unilever is a huge corporation that absorb any silliness BDS throws at it. Why did Unilever pay off the terrorists?
I'd not mind him profiting off the Wokeist travesty if he hadn't spent years helping to build said Woke.
The author is getting eaten by the snakes he fed in his backyard, expecting them to only bite his neighbors.
Gonna add: when someone wants your genocide...you call...your lawyer?!?
Ben & Jerry's is the only brand he's sold for thirty-five years, and the corporate parent, Unilever, demands that he break American and Israeli laws to discriminate against his Palestinian clients. "He still wants to work for the company" is not a social justice issue, but one of his own economic survival. I see nothing wrong with his suing Unilever to restore the terms of their agreement.
The author by his own words spend years and decades supporting social justice. Now he complains because the monster he fed along with many others is coming after him and his ....
...and if this were a new or unexpected development instead of so certain it's a cliche and if so many hadn't warned just in my own lifetime they will come after you ....I could feel sympathy for the author. I clearly don't.
If the monster he fed was coming after his neighbors in America or in Israel he'd be writing checks. Instead he's calling his lawyer.
Aaannnddd.....yessss....of course he's got a grift angle, he's suing.
1. Lawsuits are not "grift." They're how a civilized society rights a wrong. He's suing because he faces the loss of his livelihood by being extorted into signing a contract that is illegal under both American and Israeli laws. I'd sue, too. Or would you rather he set off a pipe bomb at Ben & Jerry's HQ in Connecticut? I'd rather he sue.
2. He doesn't define "social justice" the same way you do. He defines it as "I give people jobs and sell people ice cream, which helps everyone: Israeli, Palestinian, Druze, the rest, and me. People who have jobs and make money are less apt to throw bombs." That is a good social justice.
3. The "social justice" we're most familiar with is the Woke Warrior's screaming about pronouns and equal outcomes. He's not using that definition.
4. The only thing he "fed" with his actions is the needs of that society. Ben & Jerry's wants to take that away by caving in to the racist, silly, and felonious demands of BDS. Your ire should be aimed at B&J and parent Unilever, not at the author.
No Phil, you are just offering a bot level of lame counter.
Now that is one great idea!🥳
As an attorney familiar with license deals, the B&J agreement likely includes a lot of incentives from the parent company that help with some of the side initiatives, not to mention the brand name alone. He also cannot take the "know how" because he's likely relied on B&J recipes with any deviations (i.e., Palestinian fruit varieties) having to be approved by B&J.
I know you are correct but spin offs an start ups happen all the time.
Yes! Perhaps he could spin-off from licensing both the brand name and recipes, and perhaps negotiate a new deal to license only the recipes (so he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel). B&J's name is not attached, but Israelis and Palestinians keep their jobs and continue to enjoy the ice cream they've grown to love. Sadly, (bad) lawyers and egos on the business side could keep this happening.
Can't imagine he didn't sign a non-compete....
Naomi...absotlvaly, why would you want to work for a Unilever, just leave her.
🤣😂🤣😂
Love the name.
Stopped buying it myself even though it's delicious!
Kibbutz Koffee. Coffee ice cream is my favorite but hard to find nowadays
try Hagen Daas
Yes! Ask Israelis and Palestinians to come up with names, and they'd swarm all over that. The publicity would be priceless and he could hire even more workers to meet the demand. Reverse-sell to other nations, etc.
And yet, even Avi feels the need to profess fealty and bend the knee to "social justice" even as the movement rears its ugly, hateful, discriminatory fangs.
You cannot worship the system that is killing you and also push back against it. You must recognize that "social justice" is a vague, all-encompassing justification for anything that empowers the radical left. It is a movement built upon creating new injustices to fix the old ones - except for China, which consistently gets a free pass on everything because the money is good enough for the "social justice" believers to look the other way. A movement that supports wrecking the poor with lockdowns but thinks the West Bank is the worst atrocity in the world.
And that, naturally, is where we see their real colors. And we see Avi's underlying support for that culture in the way he calls charity work "social justice" rather than simply "charity."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
You nailed it. “Social Justice” is the Leftists’ motte for so many of the controversial, counterproductive & destructive goals (Baileys) they're truly pushing - goals very few would support, but who can object to “social justice”?
Social Justice is Mob Rule. Naming it truthfully is the first step to fixing it.
Well, the charities he describes seem like worthy causes, building up those at the bottom of the ladder rather than tearing down the top, in other words, the opposite of "social justice" in the U.S. But no doubt his greatest contribution to real social justice is providing jobs.
"It is a movement built upon creating new injustices to fix the old ones..." Excellent! I might even suggest, "It's a movement built upon creating new injustices to rephrase and reframe the old ones that are being ignored." Great post!
Don't be a hater.
The BDS movement is coercion writ large…supported and promoted mostly by young ignorant and uniformed people- most of whom have never traveled to Israel to observe the complexity of the society and vast accomplishments of the country.
*B(D)S
Glad that you are now against BDS, but your reasoning isn’t great, although what you wrote about the misogyny of the Palestinians is correct.
You should be against BDS because it is a hate movement designed to ethnically cleanse Jews from their indigenous homeland.
Yes, Israeli right of self determination is at the heart of the matter.
I haven’t bought Ben & Jerry’s ice cream for over twenty years. Mainly because both Ben & Jerry are peevish, puerile, pretentious political shills who cause more harm than good with their biased and hypocritical “causes”. The world would not miss them if they simply went away.
Amen!
Thank you for bringing this to light. It’s a crazy new world. I hope that your law suit is successful and stops other companies implementing similar discriminatory policies.
You are doing the right thing, and this Gentile supports you. Thank you for telling your story.
This is what happens when corporations become involved in politics, of which they usually have little understanding. Stick to business!
Good luck on Your Lawsuit. Very worthy. TYTY.
When you share the idealogy of 'social justice' eventually it targets you. It's only a matter of time. JUSTICE, alone, is blind and does not discriminate. B&J's are disgusting.
Haven’t eaten Ben and Jerry’s in years. They can support and promote what they like, I can eat (and support) what I like.
Me too, but Mr. Zinger makes several excellent points. They are forcing him to break US and Israeli laws and discriminate based on location. Imagine this in the US where a company would not be allowed to sell in the barrio or in a neighborhood that is predominantly of one race or another. They are forcing him to reduce the size of his company which will mean firing workers.
It seems to me we are seeing active discrimination against white people, particularly men. If you pick your Supreme Court justice by race and gender isn’t that against the law? This is only one famous example
Picking by race and gender should be against the law but who will challenge it?
Voters.
Hopefully.
This is in the US. A recent article pointed out San Fransisco is boycotting 38 American states. But not China!
I saw that. SanFran is shooting themselves in the foot with many different weapons. How stupid can you get? They can't boycott China. Too many of their top political people are too beholden to China and then there is Silicon Valley which seems to me to be exceedingly pro-China as it is anti-USA.
I've always been very confused with Jews aligning themselves with the left. It's counterintuitive on every level.
I feel like it's in a Jew's best interest to align themselves with a party that is anti-crime, pro-Israel, pro-business, pro-self defense, pro-meritocracy, etc.
What gives?
We Jews are our own worst enemies. Brilliant fools.
My wealthy WASP brother does the same thing, though. He openly boasts that he is voting against his own interests, as if it's the ultimate virtue signal.
This article is a bit long, but it explains why Jews align against themselves.
We call them UnJews.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-un-jews-natan-sharansky?fbclid=IwAR2RUV0DF8aZV3j2H6X1zt_4MJZT0c0bjg_bPOc_9abX60OrDg32K8TMYoI
Well, how long has the Democratic party actually been opposed to all those things you listed? Not very long, for lots of them, at least. Democrats were long seen as the dovish party, compared to the hawkish Republican party. We Jews tend to highly value compassion and empathy, so there's your answer. Radical leftism has somehow overtaken the Democratic party, and I think a lot of people are slow to catch up and realize what's going on. I see people every day (of all stripes) turning around and seeing what this leftism is. Myself included.
Thanks for writing about this issue. It was one of many in the back of my mind. I know which ice cream I WON'T be buying in the future. Good luck!
I haven't bought Ben & Jerry's for years. They have always been far Left socialists. I spend my money, or try to, with companies that are pro-USA and honorable.
Once had Ben& Jerry's years ago. Way too sweet for my taste, but that's just me. Good luck with the lawsuit.
Social injustice for sure.
As a West Bank Palestinian, I support you Avi. I want to be able to buy Ben n Jerry’s in Ramallah. Period. Why would anyone want to deny that? Keep up the good fight. Rational thought is on your side, and so are those who believe in it.
Exactly! Good economies and good business is good for all people, and brings peace more surely than any amount of gasbagging from politicians. I hope he wins, too, so you can buy whatever you want, particular with a hot desert summer coming up soon :-)
I'm not sure why its so hard for so many to see it, but life in the region would be so much better if people would embrace the 'wins', the things which makes everyone's life better. Ice cream seems so small in this and yet, here it is, making headlines.
To some, denying Mohamad an ice cream he enjoys is a good thing. It completely twisted.
Mohamad, I hope you get to enjoy this ice cream for years to come. And enjoy making life better for all along the way.
As a progressively progressive proggish Progger I am all for BDS ...the 20+ Islamist supremacist nations that oppress Women, Gays, Christians, Jews and Minorities. I also BDS Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon and a few others. I tell my fellow Progs that we will have to learn to live with Islamic control of only 99.8% of the land area of the Middle East. I acknowledge that will be hard and always have a hankey to share when the tears starting rolling.
Coffee coming out if my nose I laughed so hard. 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly I don't understand what is the issue here.
If Unilever doesn't want to sell in Israel then it is their right to do so (as stockholder of Unilever and Jew, I don't support this action of management, but I am probably a minority). It is not like Ben and Jerries is only ice cream in the world and this will probably make market opening for local competitors.
Also I don't understand what does Israeli Law for banning discrimination individuals based on residence have to do with Palestinian occupied territories? Since they are according to international law these territories are not part of Israel?!? Person should be able to sell Ben and Jerries with recognized borders of Israel with no issues.
This is not only case of Unilever suspending sales, they have voluntarily suspended imports and exports from and to Russia due to Ukraine crisis. But they continue to sell in Saudi Arabia event though that country has been ravaging Yemen for last 8 Years.
Ideologues aren't big on logic...
Heide...very true, in that "ice cream" is the worst food for any animal, hospitals love ice cr.
First, the fact that you are a Jew is irrelevant. Some of the most notorious antisemites in history have been Jewish. And why you don’t care that B&J’s is targeting the one Jewish state and ignoring far more serious conflicts around the world is alarming.
The boycott is basically directed against Jews with Palestinians as the hapless victim. The B&J board and the BDS groups hate Israel so much that they are fine harming the Palestinians, the group that they are supposedly trying to help, as long as it makes a statement against Jews for their crime of wanting to live in their indigenous homeland. Wow. Any other place the BDSers don’t think Jews should be allowed to live, or is it just the indigenous place?
Furthermore, Ben & Jerry’s is not focusing on the specific organization that is responsible for their grievances. If they were they would direct all of their efforts specifically at the Israeli government, and this would be less problematic. But instead, B&J is engaging in economic warfare against businesses and individuals that have no direct link to the Israeli government at all. They are being targeted simply because they are Israeli and/or Jewish.
The B&J boycott is illegal and immoral. I hope you will correct your apathetic attitude towards Israel after reading my comments and the many others talking back to you.
Nobody is targeting Jewish State. Occupied territories are not Israel.
What is immoral are the settlements in occupied territories and their expansion stops any notion of peace.
That some zealous members of Israel society have pushed for illegal expansion of settlements in occupied territories, and then passed a law "against discrimination of residence" is highly immoral.
If we ever want peace with Palestinians, we need finally to stop pretending that settlements are anything but illegal.
I hope that one day, you will correct your apathy towards Palestinians, and accept that they also have right to live there. If we want 2 state solution, then we need to stop building settlements on their part of land.
And once those offensive settlements are all dismantled, Hamas will welcome co-existence with Israel?
A 2 state solution was offered to Yassar Arafat 25 years ago at Camp David. He famously refused to sign on the dotted line. The Palestinians don't want a "2 state solution" but a "1 state solution": Palestine and no Israel.
You say you object to the seizing of land from the Palestinians, but are you as upset about Azerbaijan seizing land from Armenians? This is no different, and it happened just last year. Military conflicts result in land seizures and the displacement of the people who lived there. The West Bank, Gaza, and the Sinai were all seized after surrounding Arab countries launched a war of Jewish extermination in 1967. They lost (in 6 days) and lost territory as a result -- that's what happens when you lose a war, especially one you started.
What's remarkable isn't that Israel claims the West Bank and Gaza; what's geopolitically unusual is that (unlike almost every other war victor) they allow millions of people who hate them to continue to reside there.
The settlements? Settlers? First, regarding what the media (and many others of course) describe as settlers, I prefer to refer to as residents of Judea Samaria. The very idea that Jews are somehow considered to be outsiders to the area is absurd. Jews have lived in Judea Samaria continuously for thousands of years. And now they are considered settlers? Makes them sound foreign right? Well, that's the intention behind the word "settler". The only time Jews hadn't lived there was between 1948 and 1967, when they were ethnically cleansed by Jordan. Jordan did everything it could during that time to erase the long history of Jewish connection to the land and went about destroying 58 Jewish synagogues and desecrated many Jewish cemeteries using head stones for street paving and in urinals. Then after 19 short years Jews began returning to their indigenous homeland and now they’re considered outsiders?
Jews come from Judea. Why is it called the West Bank? Because it was Jordan’s West Bank of the Jordan river after they annexed it illegally. Jews shouldn’t ever be prevented from moving there. Abbas has publicly proclaimed that he wants a judenrein (no Jews allowed) Palestine. How is that peace? How do liberals support Arab apartheid? Because that’s what that is. If you tell an entire ethnic-religion then they shouldn’t be allowed to move somewhere it’s apartheid. And that’s real apartheid, not the made up kind that Israel is accused of.
Pete...nice job. thanks
Exactly.
If the Palestinians want peace they should 1) expel their gangster governments and 2) stop launching missiles into Israeli cities.
Unfortunately peace is not up to Israel, because if it was, there would have peace since 1948 when Israel accepted the UN partition but the Arabs rejected it and launched a war to destroy Israel.
If Palestinians wanted peace, they could have accepted just one of the dozen peace deals offered to them by Israel.
'The Palestinians never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity..'
I always liked that one.
Yes
I think the Palestinian cause is the most overrated in history, for the reasons you state. Unfortunately for the modern state of Israel it had the great misfortune of being created in the era of TV.
WW... sounds good to me, thanks.
And if you think the settlements are illegal, as you claim, prove it. Prove how it’s illegal for a Jew to live ANYWHERE on planet earth, let alone the indigenous homeland of the Jewish people. Telling Jews they can’t move back to a land where they have lived continuously for thousands of years until they were ethnically cleansed by the Jordanians in 1948 is nothing but intolerance.
Intolerance is a very kind word for that position.
Raziel, You can’t occupy that which is already yours. The “occupation” is a myth. It’s all israel from the river to the sea.
Territories are only considered "occupied" if they are captured in war from an established and recognized sovereign, but no state had a legitimate or recognized sovereignty over the West Bank prior to the Six-Day War. The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank was considered illegal by the international community. Only two countries recognized Jordan's annexation of the land and one of them withdrew their recognition at a later date.
The San Remo Resolution of 1920, which recognized the exclusive national Jewish rights to the Land of Israel under international law, on the strength of the historical connection of the Jewish people to the territory previously known as Palestine. The outcome of this declaration gave birth to the "Mandate for Palestine," an historical League of Nations document that laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. In fact, in San Remo, the nations of the world had formally obligated themselves not only to establish a Jewish state on the historic Jewish Homeland but also to facilitate its development as well (see Article 6 of the still-binding Mandate for Palestine).This plainly means that today's Israeli settlements are in fact 100% legal and that the accusation of " occupation" is completely false. Back then, the concept of a "Palestinian People" was unheard of and "Palestine" referred only to a Levantine region and never to an Arab nation or state. http://bit.ly/2KR00Rg
See, there you go using historical fact and established law to prove your point. That’ll never get you anywhere with an antisemitic bigot.
Mate I am Jewish. I have no issues with one state solution, but then we should give Palestinians citizenship.
There are already Palestinian citizens amongst the Israeli Arabs. The ones who aren't don't want to be.
I think the obstacle to peace is that there seems to be no one on the Palestinian side who is interested in a two-state solution.
The two governing parties, iirc, have “the abolition of the Jewish state” as a foundational position.
It’s in their Charter, yes.
You do not understand the issue of sovereignty in Judaea & Samaria.
These territories are NOT occupied.
They are disputed.
As a matter of international law, Israel has the best claim to these lands.
And yes, Palestinians have a right to self determination too.
But not on Israeli lands.
Palestinian leadership had many opportunities for a state in the last 70 years.
Each time they declined and the terror attacks continue.
Palestinian leadership seeks a Right of Return, that means no more Jews in Israel, from the river to the sea.
It pains me greatly when Jews don’t understand the basic tenants of the conflict.
Moderate Arab states who are joining Israel in the Abraham Accords are tired of the Palestinian veto. They are meeting in the Negev today to discuss security issues coming from the Iranian nuclear negations.
Interestingly, but the whole BDS movement might be outflanked by, ironically, Arabs. The Abraham Accords and the recent love fest between Israel, the UAE, Morocco, Bahrain and Egypt (and including the US) have pointedly said to Palestine - buzz off and get out of the way. Israel might have to think less of sanctions and boycotts going forward as the political sands of the Middle East shift in a way not seen in generations.
Yes, the moderate Arab counties you speak of are setting aside the Palestinian veto in favor of a relationship with Israel that will bring security and economic prosperity to their countries. The Palestinians have over played their cards.
Let's also not give the Palestinians so much credit. The Arab League was behind the War of Independence. The Arab League told the local Arabs to pack up and leave, because the war will be over soon (unfortunately for them, they were ironically correct). So they are largely responsible for the initial refugee problem. And where did those refugees end up? Surrounding Arab countries. And did those Arab countries accept and integrate their brothers and sisters? No. What did they do? Keep them as perpetual victims, feeding propaganda to the Palestinian Arabs that Israel was to blame for all their problems, to build the narrative. And where are we 70 years later? Right here, with a horrendous West Bank, a nightmarish Gaza, and terrorism being inflicted upon Israel, one of the shining stars of the entire world in terms of its contributions to the betterment of humanity.
Thanks to President Trump.
And Iran.