Shout out to Michael Farr the first man to read an article about lab grown meat and not have an unhinged knee-jerk hyper partisan response.
This lab grown protein stuff is creepy, weird, and I don’t want it on my plate. At least Beyond Meat is starting off with actual food and then tries to make it seem like meat. Idk what science experiment these guys are cooking but that protein compound they grew isn’t meat. I will not be an early adopter of this new technology.
Also how can the FDA know that its safe? What because someone ate it and didn’t instantly die? Do we even know what happens if you feed this shit to lab rats for five years? Let alone people?
Let the public give it a try. I’d guess progressive leaners will gobble it up and normal folks will pass it by. Can’t imagine it will be cheap. Give it a few years and see if anyone grows something that wasn’t there before.
I'm still not happy with it. Not a fan of the government protecting us from possible bad things. But I do agree it is far from as draconian as it could be. And it still leaves the door open for them to change their mind if data proves the product to be safe.
But if we ARE going down this road...of pre-protecting people, it needs to be done with everything, equally. No new products of any kind until proven 'safe'.
Agree BS. This is just common sense. I do not really trust the FDA anymore. They are way too influenced by Big Pharma, and it follows that they'd be influenced by the new Fake Meat industry as well.
It was Leftist Vegans (Vegans seem to always be Leftists, interestingly) who made food a wedge issue. Vegans are loud and sanctimonious, and their area of attack is one that is very, very close--too close--to most people: what one chooses to eat.
A lot of people have very bad childhood memories of being forced by adults to eat things they didn't want to eat. One of my daughters-in-law is an extremely picky eater to this day because of the food-centered abuse she was subjected to as a child (usually by her mom's boyfriends).
So when Vegans attack people on the basis of food, the reaction comes from a much deeper and more primal place than most reactions to people who try to tell you what to do.
whatever it is it should not be called meat. In the same way that white fluids derived from almonds should not be called milk. accurate food labelling is essential. An example is "toddler milk" which is milk powder with huge amounts of added sugar and preservatives. Caveat Emptor.
This is an interesting line of thinking. It always amazes me how in the weeds this can get. Like how Pringles can't be called potato chips. Instead being Crisps. Because the potato chip industry didn't like this newcomer hoovering up their customers so they got the gov to define chips as from whole potatoes or something. And Pringles come from flakes, so they had to change to Crisps.
How would you define "Meat"? I assume coming from an animal would be at least part of it. But from there, animal protein? That could be most of the body. Animal muscles? Would sausage have to have a label warning that it had non muscle proteins?
I am not arguing against the idea specifically. Just pointing out that when you start talking about legal definitions of words, you are getting into a big can of worms.
I have no problem calling it something else ("artificial meat"?), but your analogy to almond "milk" is not relevant here. The stuff they call almond milk is chemically as similar to cow's milk as cheese is to vegetable oil. Simply different products. But the vision for this artificial meat is to create the exact same molecules as exist in meat. If they do this the way it is planned, a chemist or biologist or a consumer or a human GI tract would all be unable to distinguish one from the other, for they would be identical. No one is making that claim for almond milk.
My point was about accuracy in labelling. The marketing department wants to deceive the consumer by calling chemical concoctions meat and milk. I consider this unacceptable.
You have every right to object to labeling this stuff “meat”. But to conflate it with almond milk, even labeling it a “chemical concoction“ does make it appear that you may not really understand what is being attempted here. I mean, would you object to drinking water that was drawn from the ocean and had undergone desalination, just because it didn’t come from a lake or other freshwater reservoir, but had instead undergone a chemical transformation? Maybe you would, but I think most people would not.
How else do you think they would make artificial meat on an industrial scale? Of course it will be various chemicals combined inn complicated ways to mimic animal protein.
Removing salt from water is not a chemical process. please see the info below.
Your statement about the processing of water is correct, but that wasn’t even remotely the point of the analogy. I’ll come back to that.
No, this artificial/lab grown meat is not “ various chemicals combined inn complicated ways to mimic animal protein.” The meat tissue IS animal protein, not created by mixing some imitative chemicals, but grown from stem cells, following the DNA of the animal that the cells were taken from.
Currently the meat they grow has limited differentiation, which is why ground meat is (I think) all that is available. But years from now they will be able to grow specific parts of an animal, like a flank or sirloin, which will then be butchered into steaks and roasts. These will be physically and chemically indistinguishable from the meat we buy today, including bone and marbling. This was the point of my water analogy —not that the process was the same, but that the end product is the same.
Again, I don’t disagree with you about the labeling; for at least a few generations people will want to know what they’re eating. But eventually everyone will realize that water is water, and a prime rib is a prime rib, no matter where they come from. I don’t know that I’ll live long enough to get a lab grown T-bone, but I’ll settle for a burger.
The use of "milk" to refer to plant milk (in addition to mammals' milk) dates to before the Norman Conquest. This isn't new.
In any event, nobody is mislead by the use of the term "almond milk." That would actually be very bad for the almond milk business. People seek out almond milk because they know it isn't from cow's and that's what they want.
Courts have repeatedly recognized that under the First Amendment, the government does not have the authority to create approved definitions of common words and the prohibit other uses. Only if the government can prove that consumers are actually being mislead can it prohibit the misleading advertising. Relatedly, if advertising is "potentially" misleading (a slightly lower bar), then the government can require that it be accompanied by affirmative disclosures of factual, non-controversial information.
"I pointed out that the FDA has already approved two different cultivated meat products, and asked who, if not the FDA, should determine whether or not cultivated meat products were safe. I didn’t get a clear answer"
The FDA is in no way safeguarding the public from food additives that could be harmful to our health. The fact that lab grown meat products are made with Fetal Bovine Serum and Immortalized cell lines should give us pause. Look up Fetal Bovine Serum if you want to ruin your day.
Insinuating that the FDA is a hard stop for harmful products is ignorant of how the food industry works. I highly recommend "Ultra Processed People" By Dr van Tulleken if you want to learn more about our food.
Agreed, let's talk after some long term class III food trials with 10's of thousands of people tested over a couple of decades before we totally change what people are eating
Did this author just claim the FDA is a reliable source for food safety? Cattle farmers are being driven out of business all so that this industry can get rich. This is same as pharmaceutical industry owning CDC and NIH.
Please be a more sophisticated reporter. Otherwise in 10 years you're going to write an article about how the fake meat industry was a money grab to get rid of the farmer. Liberals hate rural America they need to destroy their livelihood. Just like the vaccine industry, not enough time for long term study yet it's already safe.
Agreed- for some reason people think the FDA does a better job regulating food than it does the pharmaceutical industry? It's literally the same agency
At this point I am open to anything that makes leftists choke on their own sanctimonious bullshit. These are people who are opposed to putting artificial additives into anything except their own children... they'll be happy to pump their kids with drugs, puberty blockers, unnecessary and untested vaccines and anything else under the sun.
I don't live in America. But I do my part here in Asia. I eat lots of meat and burn the shit out of fossil fuels when doing it. Korean beef barbecue is a staple of life...
This subject brings them out of the woodwork. The same states that are banning abortion are banning fake meat. Is it testosterone? The need to dominate animals who can't fight back? Blood lust? It's really not clear, but thanks for providing an absolutely perfect example.
If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's called freedom, something I thought conservatives valued. I know I do, and I also happen to think that factory farming is absolutely shameful.
To me, this is right-wing virtue-signaling of the worst sort - lobbyist funded.
The only problem with that is deceptive food labeling. Ever look up government food definitions? I did one time and the only item I found that is defined as exactly what it is was cocoa powder. Every other definition I looked at had various added ingredients that could be included under the definition but didn't need to be listed separately. It was eye-opening. There was a lobbying attempt to get aspartame included under the dairy milk umbrella. Thankfully for those of us that have a bad reaction to aspartame, it failed.
I always encourage people to have a small garden, but I also remind them to be realistic. Most of us have lost the skills and knowledge to grow vegetables, but it doesn't hurt to supplement with some homegrown veggies here and there.
Agreed. There is a reason I try to push back when we conservatives get too righteous. When the right issues come along, plenty of conservatives have no issue taking away people's freedom.
Right now I increasingly feel like the main difference between parties is that the Dems are far more OK with using underhanded quasi-legal means to get their way. Reps seem to tend to at least get a majority of votes before enacting their more heavy-handed approaches.
I like Ron DeSantis. He’s the Betamax of politicians - definitely better than the competition but less popular nonetheless. That said, I believe he’s wrong on this point.
While I personally have not even the slightest inclination to eat lab-grown meat (nor, for that matter, will I eat insect protein or reptile meat — I’ve tried both and know of what I write), and I’m from Texas where chicken and progressives are considered vegetables, still, the idea of being able to supply protein sustenance to those who cannot afford the real thing or who, for their own reasons, prefer it, seems like a good one.
Bif! Chikkin! Facon! Eat all you want, folks, we’ll make more.
As an added feature, future Jeffrey Dahmers can satisfy their cravings while staying out of jail. Definitely a win-win, especially from the potential meal’s perspective.
re: eating the immortal-celled Mystery Meat. I've observed immortal cancer cells growing in the laboratory, and I've seen all too well the effects of the gub'ment-sponsored Clot Shots once they incorporate their long-lived DNA into normal cells. Thank God I forbade my young sons having either; watching a child die the from the cardiac failure usually reserved for the elderly is unthinkable. I now trust no one in authority.
1) If the FDA is regulating lab grown meat, you can be sure it will have side effects. 2) Yuck lab grown meat and crickets. 3) I am glad to be vegan. I am not a militant vegan, but we as society could eat less meat. 4) Likely FDA employees will leave the FDA and work at highly paid positions in the lab meat start ups and make a boatload of money. 💰
what a weird article... what a weird thing to legislate... I don't really know what the author's point is in writing this. I read lots of speculation but little to no conclusions.
Seems illogical to ban lab-grown meat while allowing all the other food-like substances to remain on shelves and literally be marketed to children through television. If you don't like it, don't eat it.
Agree with everyone about labelling, though. Why don't politicians legislate/advocate for that? Oh right, because that doesn't make anyone any money and makes our donors upset.
Well, I think one of the main points comes from the idea that the Author thinks lab grown meat and GMOs are the same. Which I disagree with right off the bat. GMOs are generally an existing plant that has been tweaked. Lab Grown meat is entirely industrial from what little I know. So I don't think they are the same. Similar, maybe.
But I think they saw this as a "See, the right can be irrational too" kind of thing. Add to it that people seem to pay an inordinate amount of attention to FL/DeSantis. And then that lab meat is mixed up with Economics and Environmentalism and it becomes a pretty interesting topic that crosses a lot of people's issues.
Do I think it is earth shaking? Heck no...but it is interesting and make become a bigger issue later. Especially since so many Red states seem to think it is worth legislating.
I think I get what you're saying... it just reads like they were on a deadline and didn't dig enough to draw any conclusions besides: "Left did not like GMOs, Right does not like lab meat". Could have summed up the rest of the article as "We don't know exactly why"
I actually think the article may be better for not having drawn conclusions. It's a topic in the news (though I had missed that) and this article gave enough for us to chew on. No need for the journalist to tell me how the steak tastes before I try it myself.
I'm a conservative. I want lab cultivated meat, which eliminates the suffering of animals slaughtered on factory farms. If you don't want lab cultivated meat, fine. Don't purchase it. But don't tread on me.
If he lives in FL, he can't 'go for it'. That is his point. Why do you care if his pecker gets cancer? And which bible verse talks about God messing with sinners dicks?
A better alternative is to support regenerative farming a la Joel Salatin and Diane Rogers. Check out the book or documentary Sacred Cow. More farmers are doing it as people catch on that, wow how our ancestors used the farm is how God intended us to care for and be nourished by animals, and way better for the environment. Most if not all practice humane slaughtering too. I also despise factory farming and will not buy it. Our family grows/raises what we can but we save our money to buy whole animals from farmers we trust. You’d be surprised how much pastured beef or pork you can get for the price of an iPad or a few months of occasional Chick-fil-A visits. Hunting wild game is also a great alternative.
The FDA let people suffer through colds and flu for years, knowing full well the pretend Theraflu, Anvil cold and flu, mucinex, and everything else with phenylephrine did not work. They just wanted a reason to ban ephedrine products that do work, based on a few people making meth. Punish everyone for the few.
The problems I think these people are having with lab grown meat are:
1. Estrogen type hormones injected into the meat and I do believe we have many men with too little testosterone right now
2. You never know what a company is putting in this meat, even if the FDA says it is fine.
An intriguing combination of interesting reporting and the modern tried-and-true combination of ad hominems and non-sequiturs. I look forward to the promised libraries filled with Marxist pedophiles obsessed with cow flatulence shaping the debate over lab-grown meats.
In the meantime, I eagerly anticipate a future in which I can walk into the local Disney store and purchase a Mickey Mouse pot roast, all ready for the oven. Please don't deny me this dream, Governor DeSantis.
In 2000-2001 I worked on an interagency review of the regulatory scheme for genetically engineered organisms in the environment. At the time I remember there had been an effort for “one food safety agency” so that decisions wouldn’t fall into regulatory cracks. As to GE food products, they were never proven safe the same way drugs are with trials, etc. What a cluster, USDA, EPA FDA and so on all with different statutes, none of which quite fit, and agency cultural predilections. Hopefully things have improved, but I would be cautious.
From there, people imagine that sanctimonious liberal elites might one day force them to eat the “guilt-free meat”—in the pod, with a side of bugs. In this fever dream, slaughterhouses are shut down and turned into bike lanes for illegal-immigrant drag queens commuting to work at children’s libraries filled with neo-Marxist gay pornography. But it starts with your dinner.
and wondered if it was written by our favorite Kevin Durant!
Shout out to Michael Farr the first man to read an article about lab grown meat and not have an unhinged knee-jerk hyper partisan response.
This lab grown protein stuff is creepy, weird, and I don’t want it on my plate. At least Beyond Meat is starting off with actual food and then tries to make it seem like meat. Idk what science experiment these guys are cooking but that protein compound they grew isn’t meat. I will not be an early adopter of this new technology.
Also how can the FDA know that its safe? What because someone ate it and didn’t instantly die? Do we even know what happens if you feed this shit to lab rats for five years? Let alone people?
Thanks Dave
Let the public give it a try. I’d guess progressive leaners will gobble it up and normal folks will pass it by. Can’t imagine it will be cheap. Give it a few years and see if anyone grows something that wasn’t there before.
The whole point of the article is that FL is not allowing people to be crash test dummies.
I'm still not happy with it. Not a fan of the government protecting us from possible bad things. But I do agree it is far from as draconian as it could be. And it still leaves the door open for them to change their mind if data proves the product to be safe.
But if we ARE going down this road...of pre-protecting people, it needs to be done with everything, equally. No new products of any kind until proven 'safe'.
" Not a fan of the government protecting us from possible bad things."
Isn't that the whole role of the FDA. But they aren't actually doing that here. There are no class III trials
Agree BS. This is just common sense. I do not really trust the FDA anymore. They are way too influenced by Big Pharma, and it follows that they'd be influenced by the new Fake Meat industry as well.
It was Leftist Vegans (Vegans seem to always be Leftists, interestingly) who made food a wedge issue. Vegans are loud and sanctimonious, and their area of attack is one that is very, very close--too close--to most people: what one chooses to eat.
A lot of people have very bad childhood memories of being forced by adults to eat things they didn't want to eat. One of my daughters-in-law is an extremely picky eater to this day because of the food-centered abuse she was subjected to as a child (usually by her mom's boyfriends).
So when Vegans attack people on the basis of food, the reaction comes from a much deeper and more primal place than most reactions to people who try to tell you what to do.
whatever it is it should not be called meat. In the same way that white fluids derived from almonds should not be called milk. accurate food labelling is essential. An example is "toddler milk" which is milk powder with huge amounts of added sugar and preservatives. Caveat Emptor.
This is an interesting line of thinking. It always amazes me how in the weeds this can get. Like how Pringles can't be called potato chips. Instead being Crisps. Because the potato chip industry didn't like this newcomer hoovering up their customers so they got the gov to define chips as from whole potatoes or something. And Pringles come from flakes, so they had to change to Crisps.
How would you define "Meat"? I assume coming from an animal would be at least part of it. But from there, animal protein? That could be most of the body. Animal muscles? Would sausage have to have a label warning that it had non muscle proteins?
I am not arguing against the idea specifically. Just pointing out that when you start talking about legal definitions of words, you are getting into a big can of worms.
I have no problem calling it something else ("artificial meat"?), but your analogy to almond "milk" is not relevant here. The stuff they call almond milk is chemically as similar to cow's milk as cheese is to vegetable oil. Simply different products. But the vision for this artificial meat is to create the exact same molecules as exist in meat. If they do this the way it is planned, a chemist or biologist or a consumer or a human GI tract would all be unable to distinguish one from the other, for they would be identical. No one is making that claim for almond milk.
My point was about accuracy in labelling. The marketing department wants to deceive the consumer by calling chemical concoctions meat and milk. I consider this unacceptable.
You have every right to object to labeling this stuff “meat”. But to conflate it with almond milk, even labeling it a “chemical concoction“ does make it appear that you may not really understand what is being attempted here. I mean, would you object to drinking water that was drawn from the ocean and had undergone desalination, just because it didn’t come from a lake or other freshwater reservoir, but had instead undergone a chemical transformation? Maybe you would, but I think most people would not.
How else do you think they would make artificial meat on an industrial scale? Of course it will be various chemicals combined inn complicated ways to mimic animal protein.
Removing salt from water is not a chemical process. please see the info below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20desalination%20processes,%2C%20multistage%20flash%20distillation)%20methods.
Your statement about the processing of water is correct, but that wasn’t even remotely the point of the analogy. I’ll come back to that.
No, this artificial/lab grown meat is not “ various chemicals combined inn complicated ways to mimic animal protein.” The meat tissue IS animal protein, not created by mixing some imitative chemicals, but grown from stem cells, following the DNA of the animal that the cells were taken from.
Currently the meat they grow has limited differentiation, which is why ground meat is (I think) all that is available. But years from now they will be able to grow specific parts of an animal, like a flank or sirloin, which will then be butchered into steaks and roasts. These will be physically and chemically indistinguishable from the meat we buy today, including bone and marbling. This was the point of my water analogy —not that the process was the same, but that the end product is the same.
Again, I don’t disagree with you about the labeling; for at least a few generations people will want to know what they’re eating. But eventually everyone will realize that water is water, and a prime rib is a prime rib, no matter where they come from. I don’t know that I’ll live long enough to get a lab grown T-bone, but I’ll settle for a burger.
The use of "milk" to refer to plant milk (in addition to mammals' milk) dates to before the Norman Conquest. This isn't new.
In any event, nobody is mislead by the use of the term "almond milk." That would actually be very bad for the almond milk business. People seek out almond milk because they know it isn't from cow's and that's what they want.
Courts have repeatedly recognized that under the First Amendment, the government does not have the authority to create approved definitions of common words and the prohibit other uses. Only if the government can prove that consumers are actually being mislead can it prohibit the misleading advertising. Relatedly, if advertising is "potentially" misleading (a slightly lower bar), then the government can require that it be accompanied by affirmative disclosures of factual, non-controversial information.
"I pointed out that the FDA has already approved two different cultivated meat products, and asked who, if not the FDA, should determine whether or not cultivated meat products were safe. I didn’t get a clear answer"
Quick reminder to everyone, including this journalist: that the FDA does NOT require food manufacturers to prove a food additive is safe. Food manufacturers can just claim something is safe because they feel like it is with zero evidence (FDA GRAS Notification Program, https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/04/14/399591292/why-the-fda-is-clueless-about-some-of-the-additives-in-our-food).
The FDA is in no way safeguarding the public from food additives that could be harmful to our health. The fact that lab grown meat products are made with Fetal Bovine Serum and Immortalized cell lines should give us pause. Look up Fetal Bovine Serum if you want to ruin your day.
Insinuating that the FDA is a hard stop for harmful products is ignorant of how the food industry works. I highly recommend "Ultra Processed People" By Dr van Tulleken if you want to learn more about our food.
Wish I could like this a 100 times—- and I wish this journalist did better reporting!
Agreed, let's talk after some long term class III food trials with 10's of thousands of people tested over a couple of decades before we totally change what people are eating
Did this author just claim the FDA is a reliable source for food safety? Cattle farmers are being driven out of business all so that this industry can get rich. This is same as pharmaceutical industry owning CDC and NIH.
Please be a more sophisticated reporter. Otherwise in 10 years you're going to write an article about how the fake meat industry was a money grab to get rid of the farmer. Liberals hate rural America they need to destroy their livelihood. Just like the vaccine industry, not enough time for long term study yet it's already safe.
As Page says, “ But never mind all that.”
Agreed- for some reason people think the FDA does a better job regulating food than it does the pharmaceutical industry? It's literally the same agency
At this point I am open to anything that makes leftists choke on their own sanctimonious bullshit. These are people who are opposed to putting artificial additives into anything except their own children... they'll be happy to pump their kids with drugs, puberty blockers, unnecessary and untested vaccines and anything else under the sun.
I don't live in America. But I do my part here in Asia. I eat lots of meat and burn the shit out of fossil fuels when doing it. Korean beef barbecue is a staple of life...
This subject brings them out of the woodwork. The same states that are banning abortion are banning fake meat. Is it testosterone? The need to dominate animals who can't fight back? Blood lust? It's really not clear, but thanks for providing an absolutely perfect example.
Hahahahaha
Really funny way to express your contempt for these assholes. With you 1,000% brother.
If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's called freedom, something I thought conservatives valued. I know I do, and I also happen to think that factory farming is absolutely shameful.
To me, this is right-wing virtue-signaling of the worst sort - lobbyist funded.
The only problem with that is deceptive food labeling. Ever look up government food definitions? I did one time and the only item I found that is defined as exactly what it is was cocoa powder. Every other definition I looked at had various added ingredients that could be included under the definition but didn't need to be listed separately. It was eye-opening. There was a lobbying attempt to get aspartame included under the dairy milk umbrella. Thankfully for those of us that have a bad reaction to aspartame, it failed.
I agree completely that food labeling should be clearer and more independent. I want to know what I'm buying so I can make the decision.
I see from your bio that you grow a lot of your own food. Good for you. That's the best approach, if it's doable.
I always encourage people to have a small garden, but I also remind them to be realistic. Most of us have lost the skills and knowledge to grow vegetables, but it doesn't hurt to supplement with some homegrown veggies here and there.
Farmer's markets help with that.
If the veggies there are affordable.
Very true. We live in the San Diego area and some of the Mexican markets near the border have farmer's produce reasonably priced.
Agreed. There is a reason I try to push back when we conservatives get too righteous. When the right issues come along, plenty of conservatives have no issue taking away people's freedom.
Right now I increasingly feel like the main difference between parties is that the Dems are far more OK with using underhanded quasi-legal means to get their way. Reps seem to tend to at least get a majority of votes before enacting their more heavy-handed approaches.
I like Ron DeSantis. He’s the Betamax of politicians - definitely better than the competition but less popular nonetheless. That said, I believe he’s wrong on this point.
While I personally have not even the slightest inclination to eat lab-grown meat (nor, for that matter, will I eat insect protein or reptile meat — I’ve tried both and know of what I write), and I’m from Texas where chicken and progressives are considered vegetables, still, the idea of being able to supply protein sustenance to those who cannot afford the real thing or who, for their own reasons, prefer it, seems like a good one.
Bif! Chikkin! Facon! Eat all you want, folks, we’ll make more.
As an added feature, future Jeffrey Dahmers can satisfy their cravings while staying out of jail. Definitely a win-win, especially from the potential meal’s perspective.
“Chicken and progressives are considered vegetables” hah so good!
Best line of the day!
" I’m from Texas where chicken and progressives are considered vegetables" Had to smile at that one!
re: eating the immortal-celled Mystery Meat. I've observed immortal cancer cells growing in the laboratory, and I've seen all too well the effects of the gub'ment-sponsored Clot Shots once they incorporate their long-lived DNA into normal cells. Thank God I forbade my young sons having either; watching a child die the from the cardiac failure usually reserved for the elderly is unthinkable. I now trust no one in authority.
1) If the FDA is regulating lab grown meat, you can be sure it will have side effects. 2) Yuck lab grown meat and crickets. 3) I am glad to be vegan. I am not a militant vegan, but we as society could eat less meat. 4) Likely FDA employees will leave the FDA and work at highly paid positions in the lab meat start ups and make a boatload of money. 💰
Just like how big pharma employees leave to work at the CDC, WHO, or elite university Boards.
what a weird article... what a weird thing to legislate... I don't really know what the author's point is in writing this. I read lots of speculation but little to no conclusions.
Seems illogical to ban lab-grown meat while allowing all the other food-like substances to remain on shelves and literally be marketed to children through television. If you don't like it, don't eat it.
Agree with everyone about labelling, though. Why don't politicians legislate/advocate for that? Oh right, because that doesn't make anyone any money and makes our donors upset.
Well, I think one of the main points comes from the idea that the Author thinks lab grown meat and GMOs are the same. Which I disagree with right off the bat. GMOs are generally an existing plant that has been tweaked. Lab Grown meat is entirely industrial from what little I know. So I don't think they are the same. Similar, maybe.
But I think they saw this as a "See, the right can be irrational too" kind of thing. Add to it that people seem to pay an inordinate amount of attention to FL/DeSantis. And then that lab meat is mixed up with Economics and Environmentalism and it becomes a pretty interesting topic that crosses a lot of people's issues.
Do I think it is earth shaking? Heck no...but it is interesting and make become a bigger issue later. Especially since so many Red states seem to think it is worth legislating.
I think I get what you're saying... it just reads like they were on a deadline and didn't dig enough to draw any conclusions besides: "Left did not like GMOs, Right does not like lab meat". Could have summed up the rest of the article as "We don't know exactly why"
Feels like a C- effort on a homework report
I actually think the article may be better for not having drawn conclusions. It's a topic in the news (though I had missed that) and this article gave enough for us to chew on. No need for the journalist to tell me how the steak tastes before I try it myself.
All fair criticism. I agree that is feels very surface level.
I'm a conservative. I want lab cultivated meat, which eliminates the suffering of animals slaughtered on factory farms. If you don't want lab cultivated meat, fine. Don't purchase it. But don't tread on me.
Go for it but I don't want to pick up the tab when sci-fi food from chemicals gives you pecker cancer cause someone thought they were smarter than God
If he lives in FL, he can't 'go for it'. That is his point. Why do you care if his pecker gets cancer? And which bible verse talks about God messing with sinners dicks?
A better alternative is to support regenerative farming a la Joel Salatin and Diane Rogers. Check out the book or documentary Sacred Cow. More farmers are doing it as people catch on that, wow how our ancestors used the farm is how God intended us to care for and be nourished by animals, and way better for the environment. Most if not all practice humane slaughtering too. I also despise factory farming and will not buy it. Our family grows/raises what we can but we save our money to buy whole animals from farmers we trust. You’d be surprised how much pastured beef or pork you can get for the price of an iPad or a few months of occasional Chick-fil-A visits. Hunting wild game is also a great alternative.
The FDA let people suffer through colds and flu for years, knowing full well the pretend Theraflu, Anvil cold and flu, mucinex, and everything else with phenylephrine did not work. They just wanted a reason to ban ephedrine products that do work, based on a few people making meth. Punish everyone for the few.
The problems I think these people are having with lab grown meat are:
1. Estrogen type hormones injected into the meat and I do believe we have many men with too little testosterone right now
2. You never know what a company is putting in this meat, even if the FDA says it is fine.
An intriguing combination of interesting reporting and the modern tried-and-true combination of ad hominems and non-sequiturs. I look forward to the promised libraries filled with Marxist pedophiles obsessed with cow flatulence shaping the debate over lab-grown meats.
In the meantime, I eagerly anticipate a future in which I can walk into the local Disney store and purchase a Mickey Mouse pot roast, all ready for the oven. Please don't deny me this dream, Governor DeSantis.
Is it true that many anti-GMO people are pro-Lab Meat? That's pretty hard to swallow.
You didn't!
Well-played
In 2000-2001 I worked on an interagency review of the regulatory scheme for genetically engineered organisms in the environment. At the time I remember there had been an effort for “one food safety agency” so that decisions wouldn’t fall into regulatory cracks. As to GE food products, they were never proven safe the same way drugs are with trials, etc. What a cluster, USDA, EPA FDA and so on all with different statutes, none of which quite fit, and agency cultural predilections. Hopefully things have improved, but I would be cautious.
I read this:
From there, people imagine that sanctimonious liberal elites might one day force them to eat the “guilt-free meat”—in the pod, with a side of bugs. In this fever dream, slaughterhouses are shut down and turned into bike lanes for illegal-immigrant drag queens commuting to work at children’s libraries filled with neo-Marxist gay pornography. But it starts with your dinner.
and wondered if it was written by our favorite Kevin Durant!