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Listening to what's been out there, thought music died about the end of the 70's. Might be old, but give me CCR, Grandfunk R/R, Bob Seger and others. Although I do like Kid Rock and Chris Stapleton of today.

But back to the real world. Happy Thanksgiving to all!!!

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For me, it was The Who, Pink Floyd and Rush.

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Almost, TB. The 90s were actually quite good. But things really did die from about 2000 on. Vocals are like trans boys or nasally teenagers girls singing in an echo chamber.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

I can see that perspective -- nobody likes music that was made after they were young. For me, music died after Blink-182, Offspring, and maybe a bit of early MCR. But I'll allow that there was nearly a decade more of kids listening to dubstep and some other shyte, and I watched my beloved emo music get co-opted by metalcore growls.

Around the mid-2010s, record company profits were down like 70% from the generations before (thanks to piracy). There are fewer and fewer pop stars every year, almost no new genres. Even the TikTok videos seem to resort to the same few tracks. I don't think music is "dead" per se -- but there's certainly a lot *less* of it now than there was up until the min-2000s, with record companies increasingly cared to take deals on new/unknown artists. The internet should have provided new opportunities for brand new genres and types of music to emerge, but in fact it seems to have just killed off the idea of the band.

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Nobody likes music made after they were young?? You mean that *you* don’t like new music. Plenty people are open minded and welcome new music into their lives. And there’s plenty of newer great stuff out there. Just don’t rely on commercial radio.

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Offspring....check out the tv show on Hulu. Amazing story with incredible music.

You won't be disappointed.

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I dunno about putting the great Chris Stapleton in the same sentence as Kid Rock. I mean, I guess they’re both under the banner of “country music” although that’s one huge stretch.

Otherwise if you think music died in the 70’s think again. Plenty great stuff put out in the last 45 years. Just turn off commercial radio and you’ll find a wealth of great music to suit your tastes and even stuff you didn’t know existed. I am old and I never tire of hearing new music. They may not fill arenas, but that’s fine with me.

Some of the GenZ stuff today I just can’t stand.

But there’s plenty other music.

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Well, and James Brown. He literally invented FUNK. One man invented an entire genre!

Also “ripoff” is a bit much. All music builds on the work of previous artists.

BTW I got to witness Parliament Funkadelic in all their glory over 5 times ( my memories of a couple shows are a bit “blurry” 🤣

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I will admit I haven’t heard anything extremely innovative in music for the last 20 or so years. It’s all so derivative. Even the good music.

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Other than the inescapable fact that Our Dear Leader grows ever more dazed and confused with each passing moment, this morning's trio of offerings left me cold. But I'm sure others were enchanted so the Free Press remains among my favorite news sources . Even at its most whimisical.

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President Blinken runs foreign policy fo sho.

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And Winken and Nod?

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Sullivan does the winking, and we all know who nods.

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We live in the age of Died Suddenly. And it’s not just old musicians who are dying. The effects of the immune weakening Covid “vaccine” will not be known for years. Everyone I know who has become infected with Covid was vaccinated beforehand.

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A local hunter in my area died last week of a "medical emergency" while out hunting. Another man died last week. Since when is a "medical emergency" a cause of death? Now it seems to be the leading one.

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I got Covid and wasn’t vaccinated if vaccinated is the right word because it sure didn’t prevent anything. But I got it later and it just seemed like a cold which was treated with a z pack, vitamin d, zinc, baby aspirin and emergen c.

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Remember, “they” changed the definition of “vaccine” to magically shoehorn whatever it was into the new definition. There is no shame anymore - even in ‘the science’. Everyone just following orders.

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Kinda like how “GLOBAL WARMING!!!” became “climate change”…

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They’ve started testing the water with UFOs recently…ahem UAPs. It’s their fear trump card which they’re saving for the right moment.

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Anyone who treats a virus with Zithromax is a moron.

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Gosh, it worked. So call me and my doc a Moron.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

Covid is a virus. Zpak is an antibiotic. While it may work on a secondary infection, it is not effective against a virus. One of our biggest problems is the prescription of antibiotics to cure viral infections. This is why so many of our antibiotics have become ineffective overtime so it’s not only moronic, it’s responsible.

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"Secondary infection". Quite possibly. The so-called Spanish Flu of 1918 was virulent, but killed most was the cytokene (sp?) storm in healthy young people that permitted pneumonia to develop. No penicillin at the time so much death resulted.

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God! Everybody's a fuckin' doctor nowadays.

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Except the CDC and medical associations who should know better but choose to practice politics rather than fact-based medicine. Btw - you don't have to be an M.D. to know certain basic facts such as antibiotics don't work on viruses. Or that novel vaccines that had inadequate testing and waning efficacy might not be the panacea that leftist globalists claim them to be.

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The second time my husband and I had Covid, it lasted about half as long, and it wasn't nearly as difficult to recover from. I don't remember my throat being as horribly sore the first time, but I wasn't left with a lingering cough either.

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My wife and I got COVID before the vax was available. Ten days later I was back at work, no worse than a mild case of the flu. When the vax was available both of us got the stab, and then my wife came down with it again, but I did not. I worked with people who got the stab and STILL came down with it, so, what does that prove? Nothing!

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Lol sorry most unvaxxed got Covid right along with the vaxxed and often had worse outcomes. But that info might also be skewed since the worst outcomes could have also been fat and/or smoked and lead unhealthy indoor lifestyles with low D, which we know is associated with bad Covid outcomes. Although the medical community refuses to talk about that.

My unvaxxed relatives got deathly ill from

Covid and he’s the picture of fitness so go figure.

Even our dear departed leader DJT got vaxxed (so proud of it too) and got the C virus and seems to be mostly alive. Maybe.

Although, did you see the stuff they put in the cocktail they gave him? And they say melatonin doesn’t work. SMH.

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Not sure how old you are @JBell, but if you were coming of age in the early 60s and didn't like the Beatles you were in a remarkably small minority.

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My brothers and sisters were all crazy for them...... I had to (painfully) listen to their music often.

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Disliked the Beatles before.... like them even less now.

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Were you alive when they debuted? If you had been you'd have realized that their music was a cut above the pop fare at the time.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

Yes, I was. I couldn't get past the inane lyrics. They may have been different from the current artists at the time, but all their songs sounded the same to me. Eleanor Rigby was especially bad.

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To paraphrase the Witch scene from “Monty Python and the Holy Grail”, “ BURN HIM! BURN HIM!!!” 🤣

Actually, maybe the Beatles article should have been titled, “I’m not dead yet!” That would have pleased George, a huge Monty Python fan and producer of “Life of Brian”…

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The Britney Spears story should lead The Free Press to do a deep dive into the world of fraudulent guardianships- conservator ships in this country. It is an organized “ crime ring” designed by the legal community of “ elder law attorneys” and probate courts. It targets wealthy people ( always) with a vulnerability( often but not necessarily) and abducts them into a “ guardianship” where they are labeled as “ incapacitated” and locked up against their will and stripped of all human and civil rights. Then the probate judge and a pack of slimy lawyers use the “ professional guardian( an idiot with a high school diploma and a 30 hr course taken at a motel near an airport) to do the dirty work of keeping the “ ward” isolated from family and or friends while the vultures plunder the estate and all assets. This is a multi billion dollar enterprise that exists under the color of law in all 50 states, the hotbeds are Florida, California, Arizona, Nevada( those with the highest number of retirees). The lawyers and judges are local VIPs , big donors to the politicians in their states and very active in the BAR association at all levels. Everyone in power knows this is happening and when pressed give lip service to “ looking into it” but have no intention of doing anything since they are benefiting in a big way from this fleecing of the wealthy vulnerable. They see it as a victimless crime since most( but not all) of the victims are elderly with some degree of dementia and don’t understand what is happening . The adult children of the victims are seen as people who don’t “ need” their inheritance since they are working and have their own money.... Netflix even made a movie “I Care A Lot” that realistically( the first part) portrays the industry. The Free Britney movement brought much needed attention to this scandal but the industry continues to pillage and grow in strength. People do not pay attention until or unless it affects them personally and then it is too late.Families are destroyed, the vulnerable are hidden away in locked nursing home facilities, denied any contact with the outside world and when the money is transferred to the guardian, lawyers and judges’ pockets the elderly victim is killed off by hospice. I am not exaggerating, in fact it is far worse and more widespread than one can imagine.Stay away from “ elder law “ attorneys regardless of how good the reputation in the community.

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Paragraphs are your friend!

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It's not just the Rich; the Rest of Us have a built-in flummox: Even if we're fortunate enough to have relationships with our caring and custodial professionals, they're going to be retired and/or dead when we need them the most. (And current practice in most if not all those professions is oriented toward making those "professionals" into replaceable parts so good luck with those relationships in the first place.)

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While your comment contains some conspiracy addled brain nonsense, THERE IS MUCH TRUTH IN WHAT YOU WROTE.

Paragraphs would help, as C.E.O. pointed out.

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Critique is duly noted. I will strive to use paragraphs in the future. Thank you

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Please tell me what you deemed to be “ conspiracy addled brain nonsense”. I assure you it is all true unfortunately.

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This generalization: "Stay away from “ elder law “ attorneys regardless of how good the reputation in the community".

You've slander a hell of a lot of people. Care to man up and identify any specifically? And no, I am not such a one.

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I stand by what I wrote as I know first hand how the guardianship industry works, it was done to me in 2019-2020 in Brevard Co Florida. I can name names ... Paul Lemieux , Robin Petersen. David Jacoby, the firm of Grey Robinson....

A recent book by a journalist Diane Diamond , We’re Here To Help when guardianship goes wrong also sheds light on the dirty enterprise.

I did not know this could happen in the USA until it was done to me. I have since connected with a network of people across the country that have been victimized by this predatory subgroup of lawyers. It is NOT a dysfunctional but well intentioned system but rather it was designed to do exactly what it does... target people with money and transfer their holdings to lawyers, judges in local probate courts where they operate with impunity and no oversight or accountability,and guardians ( the lowest rung of the ladder).

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I thought this piece might be about musicians such as Roger Waters who have embraced the death cult of Hamas and friends. Here's a pre-AI video that brought Hank Williams Sr. back from the other side for a duet with his son. I think it's tremendous. https://youtu.be/rM8tROzp4Dc?si=_bpgN7o7dBOMwCk_

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Outstanding

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And Harry and Shari Bellefontaine.

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Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, etc...

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We read and chat about the college kids who love Hamas and shut down speakers who hurt their feelings. We have a group of people who think that Donald Trump can fix any and all problems. Then we read about those who wanted to free Brittney Spears and bought 2.5 million of her books. Is it that we as a culture are rotting to the core, or that out of 330 million people, less than 1% want to read about Brittney Spears?

In a consumer-driven culture, where people want to make money, they will exploit the best and worst in us. The central rise in TikTok is people who want to be entertained and those who wish to be considered. Is this bad for the overall culture? Do we have an overall culture anymore? Ultimately, writing about two people who work hard, love their families, and serve their community is boring and no one wants to read about it. There is no money in it. But that is the vast majority of people, and our problem is we focus on the fringes rather than the best of us. I am still optimistic.

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"We have a group of people who think that Donald Trump can fix any and all problems..."

And you know how many of them? I'd wager that most Trump supporters are like me....fully aware of the Donald's warts and personality defects but equally aware that we are tragically now led by a senile imbecile and that most wannabe replacements are uniparty clowns who will fix nothing.

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I know dozens. I talk to my Dad every week. Trump is going to fix the unfixable. In the end, he was a below average President who his followeres give an A+. I was just talking about the irrational parts of the culture, and Trump lovers are part of it.

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You cannot be a great president unless there are great obstacles to overcome.

Reagan was great. So was FDR. And Lincoln and Washington. Bush had an opportunity to be much better, but sold his political soul for a second term.

Trump was much better than below average. It's a big job and many fail, like LBJ, Carter, Obama, and this bafoon we now have.

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If only Biden could rise to buffoon status.....

But instead he's a dangerously senile imbecile who is leading us to ruin and dividing our nation.

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Many Trump SUPPORTERS are not Trump LOVERS. Does that make them irrational parts of the culture?

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Not at all. If you like him with rational reasons, nothing wrong with that

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AL Douglas Murray reminded us (Sunday) of "Wanderers in lost civilizations...," paraphrasing, learning goes, skills go, memory goes....

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Ever watch a talent show when a very talented singer performs a popular song? They mimic the original performance and the result is stunning.

But give the same performer a new piece of music and the result is dull?

AI performances will suffer from the same issue. It can duplicate the voice but not the inspiration, style or the hidden something the original performer possessed.

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The Arts can speak to the best and worst in us. AI can create anything but music , especially the music of our youth, opens the windows of memory to times, people and events. Great muisic does that. Can AI speak to me the was Bono has my whole life. I doubt it.

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Very well said - you hit the nail on the head much better than I could.

They don't want to admit it - but AI is a parlor trick.

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They still haven’t found what their looking for, eh. 🤣

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What happens when the meat puppet holding the highest position in the land has to face a crisis in real time? Who will cajole coerce prod provoke beguile or otherwise LEAD the leader of the free world?

Serious question. Who's going to make the call and who elected THAT person?

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The genius of the Constitution is the Executive Branch - one person to make those decisions. It was not intended to be a committee of also-rans.

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Executive power has increased with every POTUS in my lifetime. Each gathers more and adds to that taken by their predecessor. And the Legislative branch gets weaker and weaker as the Executive bureaucracies have unconstitutionally taken power that the Legislative has lost.

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Original Funkadelic doesn’t get the love it deserves.

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They do from me! Eddie Hazel and Mike Hampton! Gary Shider! Fuzzy Haskins! George was a genius and also the worst singer in the band ironically.

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The entire “ professional guardianship” industry is a sham and a scam. It has a thin public veneer of respectability but is in fact a very diabolical organized criminal enterprise designed to target vulnerable people with assets in order to steal those assets.

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Radio is full all day long of the music of people long dead--Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms--what would the airways be without their creations? Once art is launched into the world, isn't the fact that it survives the artist one of the most wonderful things about it? That our creations do not have to die along with us is what enables us to have and enjoy musical and other artistic heritages in the first place. The life spans of individual composers, and of their listeners, are in a crucial sense incidental to this enjoyment, even quite irrelevant to it. Consider the following observation by Karl Ove Knausgaard:

"Everyone's life contained a horizon, the horizon of death, and it lay somewhere between the second and third generations before us, and the second and third generations after us. We, and those we lived with and loved, existed between those two lines. Outside were the others, the dead and the as yet unborn. There, life was a chasm without us. That was why a figure like Hamlet could be so important. He was a work of fiction, someone had made him up, given him thoughts and actions and a space in which to act, but the point was that fiction was no longer a valid dividing line, a valid distinction, the moment one stepped beyond the horizon of death, Hamlet was neither more nor less living than the historical figures who had once occupied the earth; in a certain sense anyone from then was fictional. Or, since Hamlet was made of words and ideas, the others of flesh and bone, was it only he and his life form that could overcome time and mortality?"

Substitute Palestrina's 'Missa Papae Marcelli' for 'Hamlet'--'melody and orchestration' for 'words and ideas'--and ask yourself if Knausgaard isn't right.

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"Radio is full all day long of the music of people long dead--Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms-"

Really? Where are you that this is so? Here in the NYC metro area there is exactly one classical music station -- and it's doing fund-raising half the time.

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

Toronto. We have very stodgy taste in music, for which I'm quite thankful. Just about every musical tradition is alive and well here.

In any event, I'm sure you can borrow classical music CDs to your heart's content from your local library; and you can certainly purchase them from Amazon. You won't even have to enter "dead composers" as a search strategy: it's a safe bet neither Amazon nor anybody else ever thought of marketing music in such a bizarrely arbitrary and counter-intuitive way, the music of dead composers remaining every bit as listenable as it was when they were alive. In my local library branch you can browse CDs alphabetically by composer, and find Dvorak (dead) and Dylan (living) side by side.

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Only extended visit to Toronto was about 25 years ago at which time it felt a lot like NYC felt to me when I was a child. If it's still That Way... but I'm further north that my 75+ years like as it is. All you say and also a choral tenor and I do G&S when the runes align. Thanks!

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Nov 21, 2023·edited Nov 21, 2023

Ah! I wonder, Casey, have you ever come across this little known work by the late Srul Irving Glick? With your background, it's my guess that once you've heard the first four or five bars you're going to sit back and relax, confident you're in the hands of a master composer!

You won't be disappointed: this is music to enter heaven by. There's a short minor passage near the end, as if one of the pilgrims has lost his way--an intimation of how terrible it would be to be left behind! But this doesn't last long. And then the "brothers and sisters" are lining up to cross the river into the celestial city:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8wzCgA4Z7c

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How did this guy avoid the mandatory Kool-Aid? (Background: My daughter was at Eastman for a few years a few years ago. The composition students all had two portfolios; one for the crap that the professors demanded and one for actual music... I once said of "classical" music that anything under 100 years old is highly suspect at best -- until in 1974 that let Schoenberg's nose under the tent...) Anyway, actual music does escape from the kakistocracy but it's not easily found Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

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Stop using AI in art! Aural and visual. That's it.

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Where are we going? Why are we in this handbasket?

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If I had known my image could be manipulated and sold after death I would protected it. I don’t want my heirs making money off me dancing w a mop . I would never have signed a contract to sell mop and glow . Sincerely, Bing Crosby

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